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Scholarly Consensus: The Bible is Full of Lies

[G]ood Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle — Peter, Paul or James — knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.

The words of Bart Ehrman, a notable Biblical scholar in nearly everyone’s book.  (The books he’s not included in usually have the word “Evangelical” somewhere in the title.)  In light of recent events, this truth is especially important.  The Bible is a collection of lies.  Not mistakes… outright lies.  Oh, there are mistakes, too.  But at its heart, many parts of the Bible were penned by people who claimed to be someone they were not.

[S]cholars use a different term for this phenomenon and call such books “pseudepigrapha.” … What the people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means “writing that is inscribed with a lie.”

If you want to talk about conspiracies, leave 9/11 in the trash bin.  This is a real conspiracy.  Hundreds, thousands, maybe tens of thousands of scholars, all sugar coating and hand waving and deflecting from the scholarly truth.  The Bible is a collection of lies.

But it’s not just the Bible, is it?  What about the Shroud of Turin?  That was a lie, too.  Someone claimed it was the actual cloth used to bury Jesus.  But it’s not.  It’s a forgery.

And what about the idea of “hidden codes” in the Bible?  Lies.

Back-masking as a tool of Satan?  Lies.

The Jehoash Inscription?  Lies.

The Ossuary of James?  Lies.

Bleeding statues?  Lies.

Josephus‘ confession?  Lies.

And just recently, more lies.  Another huckster has slithered out of his hidey-hole and claimed to have “authentic” ancient tablets authenticating the existence of Jesus.  Only it’s all a pack of lies.  They were written by someone who didn’t even know the language!  Possibly within the last fifty years.

At some point, we need to start asking the tough questions.  If the Bible was written by liars, and the relics are lies, and the “proofs” of Jesus’ existence are lies, and the miracle claims are lies…

Why would we be tempted to believe there’s truth underneath it all?

Returning to Ehrman’s piece:

It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is truth more important than for the “Paul” of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel as “the word of truth” (1:13); he indicates that the “truth is in Jesus”; he tells his readers to “speak the truth” to their neighbors (4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to “fasten the belt of truth around your waist” (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not really Paul.

Let’s not sugar coat this.  The holy book approved by the church for the entire history of the church was written by a liar encouraging truthfulness. It’s a lie.  A bald faced lie.  Written by a liar.

And what is the number one tenet of Christianity?  We know it’s true because God never lies. He just let the folks who wrote his books lie.  And didn’t provide any real proof of his existence.  And made sure only the hucksters would ever get any air time.  And he’s perfectly fine letting books full of lies written by liars be mistaken for truth.  For two thousand years.

But other than the holy books, the relics, and the miracles… it’s all true.

Yeah, right.  Got any bridges you want to sell me?

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48 thoughts on “Scholarly Consensus: The Bible is Full of Lies

  1. This is one of the reasons why I cannot believe the Christian story. Just like many other actual bible scholars, I found out that the vast majority of the bible (not just the NT as Erhman is focusing on) is based on “pseudopigrapha”.

    There was no Abraham, no Isaac, no Jacob. No Moses. No Exodus (the Jews were never in Egypt), no Joshua. No conquest of Canaan (those who eventually became Jews were native to Canaan all along). No unified kingdom of Israel and Judah (thus no person we could historically identify with David and Solomon).

    Jesus, of course, fulfilled absolutely no prophecies about the Jewish messiah. But that didn’t stop Christians from taking the Jewish bible out of context (i.e. lying) to make Jesus the Jewish messiah.

    Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John did not write the gospels assigned to them; the gospels were anonymous until the late 2nd century. Paul did not write Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy or Titus. Galatians, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and 1 Thessalonians have interpolations in them. Peter did not write 1 & 2 Peter. Jude and James (as in, the brothers of Jesus) did not write the letters ascribed to them. John, the disciple, did not write 1, 2, and 3 John. The same John did not write the Revelation that wrote the epistles; though this is a minor point and not necessarily a lie.

    But, this disgusting amount of forgery should be expected of a faith tradition. When any sort of belief system values faith over all else, then deception will be a necessary tool in order to continue the faith. Christians have been “lying for Jesus” since the beginning.

    Posted by J. Quinton | April 4, 2011, 11:41 am
  2. I agree with most everything in this post except the word “lies”. I prefer “myths” Every religion’s got ‘em. I choose the Christian ones because they’re part of my culture. Function? Those myths shed light on the human condition—including my condition—and the relationship between what I am able experience and what might be beyond that. Strange, but I think thinking about those myths helps me become a better person… My wife would probably say I can use all the help I can get…

    Posted by Harry Maclean | April 4, 2011, 12:00 pm
  3. Harry, there’s a difference between a myth and a lie. I used the word lie in a very specific way.

    The story of creation is a myth. The author of Peter was a liar. He was not Peter.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 12:03 pm
  4. Some good points, but did all of those writers claim to be “that Paul, that John” etc., or did some just have the same name and just didn’t note anything regarding it? I think that was the case regarding “John” the author of Revelation (which, ironically, was considered not worthy of canonical inclusion by many early Christian scholars.) Sadly many of today’s believers had regressed, since many of the early thinkers (Origen, Aquinas) were quite well learned (in context), open minded, used much logic etc.

    Posted by neilismo | April 4, 2011, 12:30 pm
  5. Why the ferocity? Christian texts are just that. Christian texts. They are useful in understanding the origin of the modern religion. You seem to take them more seriously, for some reason.

    What is the reason for your ferocity? Clearly you are not a Christian.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 2:56 pm
  6. Quinton

    I have a challenge for you. I dare you. I double dog dare you. And then I will take you more seriously. Simple write the following: “The Quaran Is Full Of Lies!”

    I have a supposition that your ferocity is inversely proportionate to any danger you might perceive. Just guessing….

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 3:11 pm
  7. Quinton

    1) Some Christians were, and some may still be, willing to die for their belief. I reference The Martyrdom Of Polycarp http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/martyrdompolycarp.html

    2) Some Muslims are willing to die AND kill for their belief. No reference needed.

    3) You also have a truth you believe. I just don’t think you are up to the task of labeling The Quaran as a pack of lies.

    I could be mistaken….

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 3:25 pm
  8. Why the ferocity? Christian texts are just that. Christian texts. They are useful in understanding the origin of the modern religion. You seem to take them more seriously, for some reason.

    What is the reason for your ferocity? Clearly you are not a Christian.

    Are you American? Have you noticed that an entire branch of our government is controlled by people who at the most believe in the Bible as the true word of God, and at the least shamelessly pander to the 40% or so of Americans who do?

    Have you noticed that they teach creationism in school, whether or not it’s legal?

    That women’s rights are being attacked? That there have been over 800 bills presented in the states trying to overturn Roe v. Wade?

    That gays are legally discriminated against, and that Christian funding is behind virtually all of the legislative action to keep it that way?

    That our military houses Christian chaplains, and that soldiers are punished if they do not behave Christian and attend Christian services?

    That teens and young adults are being taught that their sex drives are evil and that they will offend the almighty if they dare to have safe premarital sex?

    That we even have to discuss premarital sex as some sort of standard in the 21st century?

    That millions of people worldwide are still giving money to the Catholic church despite… well… how do you even begin to describe the corruption and crimes against humanity??

    That “atheist bashing” is the last socially acceptable form of public discrimination?

    That nearly half the country would vote for a Muslim president before an atheist one?

    That nearly half the country believes in magic “poof” creation and rejects evolution?

    That Christians are allowed to practice “Christian therapy” that is scientifically wrong and demonstrably harmful?

    That many parents cause great harm or death to their children each year by praying for them instead of taking them to the doctor?

    That your money and my money is being used to fund religious proselytizing in the name of “education”?

    That we’re a decade behind on stem cell research because of religious belief?

    That parents effectively disown their children over religion? That it’s damn near impossible to live “out” as an atheist without inviting scorn or worse? That people lose their jobs for being atheist?

    I’ve documented all of this and much, much more on this very blog. There’s good reason for a healthy dose of ferocity.

    Here’s an article I wrote several years ago, and it’s still my mission statement.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:23 pm
  9. Neilismo, Bart Ehrman has said that early antiquities Christians and Gentiles alike frowned on the practice of lying about one’s identity. The church accepted the epistles believing them to be written by Paul, centuries after their actual writing.

    Each book has its own particular story, but the fact is, there’s a big, big disconnect between “removed scholarship” and “invested scholarship.” And the only place you can find people waving their hands frantically trying to come up with a “scholarly explanation” for the Bible authors’ lies are… you guessed it… invested scholarship circles. Outside of believing Christians, it’s quite reasonable to say the early church was fooled and the authors misrepresented their identities.

    And the short answer to your question is that we have no reason to suspect the authors meant their readership to think… “Oh, he’s talking about that other John who walked around with Jesus.”

    Sadly many of today’s believers had regressed, since many of the early thinkers (Origen, Aquinas) were quite well learned (in context), open minded, used much logic etc.

    Hrmmm…. I’ll grant you that they were quite philosophically sophisticated for their day. But their day was quite a long time ago, and anyone referring to either Aquinas or Origen for contemporary relevance is… um… reaching.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:31 pm
  10. Those myths shed light on the human condition—including my condition—and the relationship between what I am able experience and what might be beyond that.

    What do you make of this one, Harry? I’ve been trying for years to come up with a good moral lesson from it, and I’m stumped:

    10When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

    11And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

    12Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

    13And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:34 pm
  11. Quinton & Hamby

    I triple double dog dare either one of you to type the following: “The Quran Is Full Of Lies”.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:38 pm
  12. EJ, the Quran is a pack of lies. I’ll say it. And yes, it does give me some sense of fear to think that someone might kill me for saying it.

    But that’s a good reason to say it. It needs saying. The Bible, the Quran, and every other holy book ever invented by man are full of lies. Bring me any holy book from any religion and I’ll say it’s full of lies.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:40 pm
  13. Quinton & Hamby

    I assume both of you understand the Quran recognizes both Moses and Jesus as legitimate prophets. Or do I assume too much?

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:42 pm
  14. Hamby

    If the time ever comes, I will have your back! Good for you!

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:43 pm
  15. EJ, yes. I know that both religions acknowledge Moses and Jesus. Where are you going with this? There was never a Moses, and probably never a Jesus. What’s your point?

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:43 pm
  16. If by that you mean you’ll be getting your head chopped off with me, or that you’ll take a bullet meant for me… bravo. You’re a hell of a guy.

    I hope to never need you, but it’s a real risk in my business.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:50 pm
  17. STILL

    Hebrew, Christian, and Muslim scriptures contain a lot of history. If you treat the texts in the same way you might treat “Gilgamesh” there is a lot to consider. In this specific example, the great flood of Noah was written in Gilgamesh, if I am not mistaken, about 1,000 years earlier.

    We now know there WAS a great flood when the ice caps melted in recent antiquity and breached the Bosporous.

    In addition, we now know the four rivers that converged in “The Garden of Eden”. Two of the ones listed are Tigris and Euphrates. The other two are now identified by satellite imagery as extinct rivers that were submerged by the afore mentioned flood.

    This is all really really good stuff.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:53 pm
  18. Hebrew, Christian, and Muslim scriptures contain a lot of history.

    Not really. At best, we could think of it as “historical fiction.” As J Quinton pointed out, most of the Old Testament is simply false. There was no split kingdom, no Exodus, no Canaan conquest, no 12 plagues, no parting of the red sea, no Abraham, no Moses…

    When you start discussing Biblical “History” with non-invested scholars, you come up with something a lot closer to say, the Iliad. Sure, it mentions lots of real places, and a few real people, but none of the events can be taken seriously, nor should they.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 4:58 pm
  19. RE Moses

    I have been convinced all three monotheistic religions trace directly to Aknahten. Either he influenced monotheism or monotheism influenced him. And the dates are all correct.

    Furthermore, “The Copper Scroll” lists widely improbable quantities of gold and silver. Until you convert the Biblical Talent to Egyptian measures. At that point the amounts become entirely plausible. Plus, the cubits described for “The Temple” rather exactly in proportion to the temple at Amarna(?).

    I am not making this up.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:58 pm
  20. Hamby

    So. You are telling me there was, scientifically speaking, no great flood?

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 4:59 pm
  21. In this specific example, the great flood of Noah was written in Gilgamesh, if I am not mistaken, about 1,000 years earlier.

    No, no, no… you’re not going to try to theist ambush me are you? I get tired of theist ambushes.

    There have been LOTS of floods in the fertile crescent. None of them have been (forgive me) biblical in proportion. Yes, it’s possible that the Noah story was taken directly from the Gilgamesh story, and the Gilgamesh story from an ice age melt, but that doesn’t mean there’s any truth to a global flood. Only that there were floods. And we knew that anyway.

    In addition, we now know the four rivers that converged in “The Garden of Eden”. Two of the ones listed are Tigris and Euphrates. The other two are now identified by satellite imagery as extinct rivers that were submerged by the afore mentioned flood.

    Insofar as we can say, “Yeah, people used to write legends including familiar places and faces,” sure. It’s interesting. But if you’re hanging your biblical historian hat on these two myths…. hmmm… I don’t have a clever finish for that…. your… um… hat will probably end up on the floor, I guess…

    The more “historical” stuff, with lines of kings, invasions of land, captivities, etc… are bunk. They just didn’t happen, and the figures in them were made up. Which brings me back to the idea that the Bible makes nice historical fiction. But it’s not history.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 5:04 pm
  22. LOTS if floods? List them.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 5:06 pm
  23. I’m telling you there was never a global flood.

    I am not making this up.

    Did you hear it from Achyara? This is sounding oddly familiar.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 5:07 pm
  24. BUNK? You, my friend, are no friend to history. We have, in fact, more documentary evidence for the biblical epics then we do for the illiad.

    OH. I forgot. There actually was, and is, a Troy.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 5:09 pm
  25. LOTS if floods? List them.

    No. I am not going to “list” all the floods in the fertile crescent for several thousand years BC. Don’t be absurd. I’m about to go eat, and will probably forget this bizarre conversation shortly thereafter, so you’ve got one post to get to the point. Are you suggesting that since the Bible contains a flood myth, and there has been at least one pretty big flood… and that the creation myth mentions four rivers, and there were four rivers… that we should trust the Bible for other history?

    If that’s not what you’re saying, give me a three sentence or less thesis statement. Cause I have no idea where you’re going with this.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 5:11 pm
  26. I never said there was a global flood. I simply surmised Gilgamesh and Noah are based on an actual, rather serious flood. One more serious then either of the Tsunamis we have had in the last decade.

    Bread crumbs. Why do you reject bread crumbs?

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 5:12 pm
  27. You, my friend, are no friend to history. We have, in fact, more documentary evidence for the biblical epics then we do for the illiad.

    OH. I forgot. There actually was, and is, a Troy.

    Ok. You’ve proven that you’re either not reading what I write or not comprehending it. And Udon is calling my name. I know there was a Troy. It’s why I mentioned the Iliad in the first place.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were David Mabus and you’ve finally tracked me down from that other website… but you’re slightly coherent, so I guess not. By the way, you didn’t answer my question… did you get all this from Achyara?

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 5:13 pm
  28. If you claim LOTS of floods to contrast against my single well documented flood, I expect documentation of LOTS if floods.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 5:13 pm
  29. Archyara?

    That is one of several bacterial lines of descent. You do believe in bacterial lines of descent, do you not?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png/400px-Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 5:18 pm
  30. Anyone who believes there was no Jesus might as well believe there ARE unicorns. There is, after all, an actual Troy and that is from a document WAY older then the various books of The New Testament.

    I believe if Christianity had died out in the second century, these same skeptics would be masturbating all over themselves had they discovered one single Pauline Epistle in in a corner clay amphora in Pompeii.

    In fact, we have actual graffiti from Pompeii itself that Christianity was well known at the time. Specifically, one “such and such” has had his mind ‘Captivated’ by the Christians and, apparently, declined the brothel across from the hotel.

    Then all of them died in 79 AD. Certainly there was no such person as Jesus. And certainly no such person as Paul, claimed in Acts as having landed at the port of Pompeii a decade previous could have possibly existed.

    And certainly Nero did not blame Christians for the fire of AD 64. Its all lies, and none of it even rises to the level of credible myth. All of it lies. Deliberate Lies.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 6:15 pm
  31. CORRECTION

    Paul did not land at the port of Pompeii in 69 AD. He disappeared from history while under house arrest, almost certainly no later then the fire of 64. Acts does not even provide a hint of what happened to him. Which is quite odd.

    Speculation has it he may have survived and gone to Spain. Or did not survive Nero. Anyone who thinks he did not exist is still chasing Unicorns.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 6:32 pm
  32. Incidentally, the Roman victory and destruction of the second temple took place in about 70. The Arch of Titus stands to this day as testament of victory, loot, and slaves.

    Since the port of Pompeii would have been the logical disembarkation after for the returning troops, it is also logical many of the slaves, both Jewish and Jewish/Christian would have been sold to residents of the wealthy resort.

    Accordingly, it is no surprise Christians were in evidence at the time of the Vesuvian Eruption of 79. In fact, they were already in evidence at Rome when Paul arrived in the early 60’s. It is not exactly clear how Christianity made its way to Rome so early, other then they usual maritime routes.

    However, just 30 years after the crucifixion they were plausible candidates for the fire of 64.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 6:50 pm
  33. SO. How did Christianity become a plausible threat to Rome only 30 years after the Crucifixion? Unlike Islam, it did not spread by force of arms. Further, it was routinely suspect from the beginning, by just about all the authorities.

    And most oddly, it seems to have been attractive to all levels of society. Paul routinely salutes various women and men of property who provide their houses, while at the same time very specifically promoting all ranks as spiritually equal. This is clearly shown right down to the slave level in Phylemon.

    So I have a simple question to all the skeptics. Why? And I freely surrender resurrection and all the rest. YOU TELL ME how all this happened among the educated, propertied, slave and free?

    I am stumped.

    Posted by ejdavid3 | April 4, 2011, 7:48 pm
  34. That’s simple, people are stupid. There, clear enough. Also, what does any of that have to do with the fact that the people who claimed to have authored the various biblical books lied about who they were?

    Posted by Alex Hardman | April 4, 2011, 8:41 pm
  35. Alex, I’m guessing that ej is one of Achyara’s fanboys. If I’m right, then he trolled over from Thomas Verenna’s blog because of my link to his article on the bogus lead/copper plates. The timing works out well. The other option is that he’s yet another incarnation of David Mabus, but I don’t think so, since he hasn’t gone bat-shit with nostradamus nonsense.

    In either case, there’s no reasoning with this commenter, and the volumes of irrelevant posts not pertaining to my original point should attest to that. I wouldn’t waste my breath.

    Posted by hambydammit | April 4, 2011, 8:54 pm
  36. Yeah, but he’s entertaining. I liken it to poking a bear in a cage (I’m cruel like that).

    Posted by Alex Hardman | April 4, 2011, 9:36 pm
  37. Everything you said is a Joke. Using Archeological evidence prove that there is just one lie in the Bible.

    Posted by Rob | April 1, 2012, 9:22 pm
  38. Rob, fascinating claim: “Using Archeological evidence prove that there is just one lie in the Bible.” – what would that be? BTW, altho the “John” of Revelation may not be the John who wrote that Gospel, I don’t see any evidence of attempted deception. As for many Letters etc. from Paul et al, it is surely possible many were written, at least the detail, by understudies or others in the manner of Renaissance painters and even modern professors, whose lesser output may be greatly helped by input from grad students. In any case, I don’t accept revelatory authority but find examples interesting and sometimes insightful to study.

    Posted by Neil Bates | April 2, 2012, 7:25 pm
  39. Belief of biblical inerrancy in the U.S.:
    On 2007-MAY-25, Gallup reported the results of a national poll on Biblical inerrancy. Those polled were asked which of three statements comes closest to describing their personal views about the Bible. The average of polls taken during MAY of 2005, 2006 and 2007 were:

    31% believe that “The Bible is the actual word of God, and is to be taken literally, word for word.” This would imply acceptance of biblical inerrancy.
    47% believe that “The Bible is the inspired word of God, but not everything in it should be taken literally.”
    19% believe that “The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man.”
    3% were uncertain or didn’t answer.
    Margin of error was ±3 percentage points

    Posted by PG | April 3, 2012, 9:28 am
  40. Oh my word. Was there someone in this thread daring people to denounce, Islam? Joys of all joys.

    Islam is false. Allah is a myth. The Quaran is nothing but ancient, disgusting, barbaric, retarded, nonsense. Mohammed was a troglodyte, schizophrenic, pedophile, murdering, illiterate, and hypocritical false prophet to a mythological god, like all gods. And only those of tiny intellect and zero morals would ever believe in or follow such a disgusting belief system.

    Posted by Watcher | April 5, 2012, 11:41 pm
  41. The one who written this you shall no longer have eternal life unless you receive Jesus.

    Posted by Henric | June 21, 2012, 10:12 am
  42. First of all God spoke 2 no living man- and the bible [if truly the word of God] would burn the hands of man literally, yet satanists r free handle it with the purest freedom. The problem is dat we don’t let our brains function naturally- God said nothing 2 nobody, believe dat, or u r @ da mercy of the system of religion.

    Posted by Bongani | February 28, 2013, 5:54 am
  43. The Qu’ran is full of lie so is the Torah and the Bible. Oh and by they way they all have the same God. The qu’ran has the exact stories. I love the Quran as it tells me how to poop and pee and how many times I’m allowed to stroke my member after a pee, I’m still tring to not any drip on me however….

    Posted by Rob McElhinney | May 21, 2013, 1:16 am
  44. This I believe: God created everything and the world turns (our lives) at his pleasure. God did not tell us very
    much about anything. Some Men took it upon themselves to explain creation so they passed on Bull, fiction and
    half truths. All that crapola became classic and we all served ourselves and will continue to do so. We are all related and made of the same materials of physical creation. The only truth is that Love is all that matters and God is Love.
    Don’t put God in a box and define him/her/it. All things are possible, nothing is impossible and there is more than the
    stuff we know or can read about. Yes,UFO’s , Crop circles, ghosts and everything strange (except Big Foot) are real
    and so what. When we die we go back to God’s country and get a report card to see if we failed this bootcamp, or
    if we passed. If we graduated, we move higher up the totem pole to where God is even more awesome (if thats possible). If you are a non caring, non loving person, non forgiving person, you get to move down the totem pole and
    closer to the Demon at the bottom. We eventually will find our own kind. Go with Angels of Love and light for there you will find peace and joy. Go down further and you will never get any rest.

    Posted by joseppi mercedes | June 25, 2013, 4:58 pm
  45. am beginning to think David Icke may have a few correct points.
    As an aside, everyone needs to calibrate over 200, or things get worser. (yep, worser).
    Below 200 live morons, idiots, infidels, wife abusers, serial killers and other scum mired
    in self absorbtion, Ego gluttons and other despicables.
    above 200, begins self acceptance, courage, forgiveness and other loftier abodes leading to
    Paradise and Peace beyond all understanding.
    And we all lived happily ever after; ever hear that one?
    forgive my rantings, I just felt like putting in my two cents.

    Posted by joseppi mercedes | June 25, 2013, 5:19 pm
  46. Atheists charge that Christians place their will before their intellect, yet atheists are no different; and depending on Bart Ehrman for Christian polemics is one example. Fully leaning on Ehrman is dangerous for everyone, whether Christian, agnostic, atheist, etc. He will tell part truth and make it look like full truth to those whom are ignorant of the full story.

    When invited onto liberal media shows he will not present the full story, even though he knows the interviewer and the audience are in the dark, and also knows that those whom could fill in the rest of the story which he leaves out are no where in sight (as they were no invited on). Yet when in debate with those whom have a full grasp of the issues at hand he’ll all of a sudden say things that he would NEVER say during a liberal interview, such as: “the NT has the highest attestation from antiquity”. Now why would this type of schizophrenic honesty be taking place when it comes to Ehrman? Think about it for a while.

    And while thinking about it, look into these resources as well:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/ben-witherington-responds-to-bart-ehrman-s-book-forged

    Posted by Cameron | July 21, 2013, 4:48 am
  47. I have been saying all that for years, just in a different way, and have had numerous arguments with people about it. Very few things written in the Bible could have happened. “The Good Book?” I think not. It has been cleverly written by order of the then ruling hierarchic religious rulers. These days, it is being scrutinised more and more as it contradicts itself on many occasions. It wasn’t written for the peasants as nobody could read and write in those days. It’s not a book you should give to a child as a present. We rate films, DVDs and books. Why shouldn’t the Bible be rated? It brims with violence, pestilence, destruction, killings, sex, slavery and fibs. Close your eyes and open the Bible. Pick either side of the two pages. Somewhere on the page you choose you’ll find a paragraph that deals with sex, adultery and killings. You simply cannot miss it.

    Posted by Jack | September 6, 2013, 11:22 pm
  48. Having studied the Bible for 24 years, I can without doubt say that it has many hidden lies, and contradictions. It states that God is a God of love, forgiveness and mercy, but at the same time declares destruction upon those who disobey His Word, This shows that this God of the Bible cannot make up his mind what he should be. Taking a look at the new testament, one cannot believe all the lies, and confusion it creates amongst christians. It makes promises that seem to be wishful thinking. My view is that Mary was impregnated by an alien, making this Jesus half alien and half man. With the findings of fossels that date back 60 million years also proves that what stands written in Genesis 1 is false. Further, that God destroyed the earth with all it’s life with a flood, saving only Noah and his family, but just after the flood the world was full of people. Did these people fall from the skies? What a outright lie this is. The people of those days were not advanced with technology and science, and therefore were fooled by UFOs and aliens who are well advanced with this. The people of the bible times believed that the UFOs and aliens that came from the skies were angels of God. UFOs and aliens are a reality and have been sighted by many throughout the world. It has been confirmed, that aliens have no emosions and their whole plan is to control humanity and take over the world. The truth of this also lies within the hidden facts of the Roswell incident, which the intelligence of America is hiding from all. Believe it or not, this is all true, and makes more sence than the lies of the bible.

    Posted by Charles Allen | November 17, 2013, 12:33 pm

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